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title: Neti Neti (Not This, Not This)
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## The Formula and Its Source

*Neti neti* — Sanskrit नेति नेति, from *na iti*, "not so, not so" — is among the most ancient and exact formulas in the contemplative literature of India. It appears in the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad (attributed to the sage Yajnavalkya, ca. 8th–7th century BCE) in at least two passages of high importance: at 2.3.6, where Yajnavalkya declares that "neti neti" is the only adequate rule for pointing at Brahman — "there is nothing beyond the 'not'" — and at 4.5.15, in his celebrated dialogue with his wife Maitreyi, where he states of the Self: "About this Self, one can only say: not this, not this." The double negation is not a stylistic accident. Each *neti* cuts in a different direction: one clears away what the tradition calls the *murta*, the gross concrete world of body and matter; the other clears away the *amurta*, the subtle abstract realm of thought, feeling and mental form. Together they exhaust the field of objects, leaving the question of what, if anything, remains.

What remains cannot be negated. Yajnavalkya's point — developed at length by Adi Shankara in the 8th century CE — is that the Self (Atman) is never among the objects being set aside. It is the one doing the setting aside: the witnessing subject, which by its very nature can never become an object. Shankara's disciple Sureshvara made this precise: the negation of neti neti does not have negation as its final purpose. It purports identity — it clears the screen not to leave a blank but to reveal what was already there before any image appeared.

## The Vedantic Pole: From 'I Am Something' to 'I Am Nothing'

In the classical <PageRef space="notes" slug="advaita-vedanta" /> understanding, the untutored mind arrives at experience already convinced that it is something in particular: a body, a personality, a history, a set of relationships and preferences. This is the condition Shankara calls *adhyasa* — superimposition — the false layering of the attributes of objects onto the pure subject. Neti neti is the surgical instrument for removing those layers one by one.

The movement runs: *I am not this body* (the body is witnessed, it appears and disappears in awareness; the witness is not the witnessed). *I am not these sensations* (sensations arise and pass; that which notices them does not). *I am not these thoughts* (thought is an object of knowing; the knower is not a thought). *I am not these feelings, memories, images.* At each step, whatever can be observed is disqualified as the Self. The classical Sanskrit method pairs this with the enquiry: *who or what is doing the observing?*

Rupert Spira describes this movement as the path from 'I am something' to 'I am nothing' — the path of *discrimination* or *exclusion*, which in Sanskrit technical vocabulary is called *vyatireka* (co-absence: what disappears when the objects disappear?). He writes that along this path "the witnessing subject of experience is extricated from all objective content and stands alone as pure consciousness." The result is not the nihilistic emptiness that a superficial reading of 'I am nothing' might suggest, but rather the recognition of awareness as an open, contentless field — not a thing, but that by which all things are known. It is *nothing* in the sense that it is no particular thing; it is not a void.

This pole of the path corresponds to what the western mystical tradition calls the *via negativa* (the apophatic way): the approach to the divine or the ground of being not through positive predicates but through the systematic removal of every predicate that does not fit. The 14th-century Christian mystic Meister Eckhart's *Abgeschiedenheit* (detachment), the Sufi concept of *fana* (annihilation of the ego before the divine), and the Buddhist analysis of *sunyata* (emptiness of inherent selfhood) are recognizable cousins of the same movement, though each tradition frames its limit and its goal differently.

## The Witness: A Necessary Threshold

Neti neti generates, as an intermediate discovery, what is sometimes called the *witness* or the *witnessing awareness* — the position in which everything objective has been set aside and what remains is a pure, unencumbered knowing. This is the position that stands between ordinary subject-object experience and the full non-dual recognition. See <PageRef space="notes" slug="the-witness" />.

The witness is real in the sense that it marks a genuine recognition: awareness is no longer confused with its contents. But it carries a subtle residue of duality — there is still a felt distinction between the witness and the witnessed, between awareness and the world it knows. In some traditional formulations this is described as the highest station; in others, including Spira's, it is understood as a penultimate threshold, a position that must itself be seen through.

As long as the witness position is held, the world appears to be *out there* and awareness *in here*. The full recognition of non-duality requires one further step: not the negation of the witness, but the recognition that what the witness is made of — pure, open awareness — is also what everything else is made of.

## The Tantric Turn: 'Not This' Becomes 'Also This'

Here the teaching pivots, and the pivot is the contribution that <PageRef space="notes" slug="kashmir-shaivism-and-pratyabhijna" /> brings to the <PageRef space="notes" slug="the-direct-path" /> as Spira has received and articulated it. Kashmir Shaivism, rooted in the *Pratyabhijna* (recognition) school of the philosopher Utpaladeva (ca. 900 CE) and systematized by Abhinavagupta, begins from a fundamentally different premise than the renunciatory Advaita of some Vedantic lineages: rather than the world being *maya* to be transcended, the world is the self-expression of consciousness, not different in substance from awareness itself. Its maxim is *Sarvam Sivamayam* — "all is Shiva (consciousness)" — and *Etad api Saktih* — "this too is the power (of consciousness)." Nothing falls outside.

In Spira's framing, once the discrimination phase has done its work — once awareness recognizes itself as the open, empty ground — there is a natural second movement: a turning back toward experience to recognize it as the shape that awareness itself is taking. He calls this the path from 'I am nothing' to 'I am everything' — the path of *love* or *inclusion*, which in Sanskrit corresponds to *anvaya* (co-presence: what persists wherever the objects appear?). The world of objects, sensations, thoughts and feelings does not return as a problem. It returns as the self. "The body and the mind and the world become more and more like the light of awareness," Spira says; "they become permeated, saturated."

The formula *neti neti* — not this, not this — is completed rather than abandoned. It is not that the world is re-admitted despite the negations, but that the negations themselves revealed the nature of the ground, and that ground is recognized as the substance of the very things that were being negated. What seemed to be a minus sign becomes, from the other side, a plus. Not this (as a separate object) becomes also this (as a shape of awareness). The via negativa opens, unexpectedly, into a radical inclusiveness.

This is one of the structural reasons why Spira consistently presents the <PageRef space="notes" slug="eastern-sources-of-the-direct-path" /> as two complementary streams: the Vedantic stream (rooted in Yajnavalkya, Shankara, and the <PageRef space="notes" slug="atmananda-krishna-menon" /> Direct Path), which supplies the discrimination phase, and the Kashmir Shaivite stream (received through <PageRef space="notes" slug="jean-klein" /> and <PageRef space="notes" slug="francis-lucille" />), which supplies the embrace phase. Neither is complete without the other.

## The Limit of Negation

Neti neti is not a description of what the Self *is*; it is a clearing operation. Shankara's commentator Sureshvara was clear: the purpose of the negation is not to leave us in a state of perpetual denial but to precipitate the recognition of identity — the direct seeing that *I am this awareness* which was always already present and was merely overlooked. The phrase from the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad at 2.3.6 — "there is nothing beyond the 'not'" — is not a statement of nihilism. It means that once the negations have run their full course, no conceptual remainder is left to obstruct the direct recognition.

A common misreading is to treat neti neti as a practice of sustained refusal — an ongoing *no* applied to every experience that arises. This misses the point. The negations are not maintained as a permanent attitude; they are applied until the witness position is stabilized, and then that position itself is seen through in the recognition that awareness and its appearances are not two different substances. At that point, neither the *neti* nor its opposite is needed. What remains is the simple, self-evident fact of being aware — prior to any formula, including the formula of negation.

## In Spira's Teaching

Spira uses neti neti both as a formal inquiry and as a phenomenological pointer. The formal inquiry may begin with the question *Am I aware?* — which is not answered conceptually but by turning attention back to its own source. Each time a thought, sensation or perception is noticed, it is recognized as an object of awareness, not awareness itself. The recognition is not an act of will but of understanding: this (thought, feeling, sensation) appears *to* me; I am not it. This is neti neti as lived practice.

The inquiry reaches its natural threshold when it becomes apparent that awareness cannot find an edge or a limit by turning back on itself — that it is always already knowing itself, even in the attempt to catch it as an object. "Awareness is too close to itself to know itself" in the subject-object mode, Spira observes; it knows itself simply by *being* itself. This is the beginning of what he calls *being aware of being aware* — see <PageRef space="notes" slug="awareness-and-attention" /> — and it is the moment when the negation phase opens into the recognition phase that the <PageRef space="notes" slug="the-direct-path" /> is designed to facilitate.

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